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Exclusive: Intel’s DG2 for Mobile and Desktop – Xe enters the second phase

You probably remember Intel’s DG1 and the somewhat unsuccessful attempts to get the dedicated DG1 to work at all on the original evaluation system. To those who accused us of negligence and outdated drivers at the time, let me wink and confirm: even with the latest sofware snippets, nothing still moves. Because whether this system was ever able to present games really executable by itself is still an open question. The combination as DG1 from Asus with a special board might be able to do that better in the meantime, but much more than office should hardly be possible there, too. Well, and then came DG2.

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Intel is currently planning DG2 in the notebook as well as in the desktop area, whereby the latter is left to the board partners and is obviously not active itself. I know from employees from Asus and MSI that Intel has made representations to some of the big names in the industry. But what exactly was agreed (or not) there is still a well-kept secret The diagram below is a bit older and shows the connection to Tiger Lake H.

Models and production start

In the meantime, however, Intel is planning to use Alder Lake-P in the notebook sector, i.e. CPUs as 1-chip BGA with a TDP of 15 to 45 watts. The production of DG2 for the mobile sector is supposed to start already in calendar weeks 43 to 50 with the two smaller SKUs (4 and 5), if the current plans go, so that one is probably aiming at still very close to the Christmas business. The major SKUs (1 to 3) should then follow between week 50 in 2021 and week 10 in 2022.

Whether and especially when the three big models will also find their way to the new board partners as desktop GPUs is still uncertain, because the focus is clearly on the mobile area of notebooks according to the sources. The following table is a first indication, but not yet complete. I see a need for clarification especially with the TDP ratings. What you state with the maximum 100 watts should refer to the chip alone. With memory, you’d quickly be in the 125+ watt range – a lot of cooling work for a notebook. The dedicated cards are not mentioned in the current data in this regard, but you should be able to expect well over 200 watts for the entire card.

  SKU 1 SKU 2 SKU 3 SKU 4 SKU 5
Package Type BGA2660 BGA2660 BGA2660 TBC TBC
Supported Memory Technology GDDR6 GDDR6 GDDR6 GDDR6 GDDR6
Memory speed 16 Gbps 16 Gbps 16 Gbps 16 Gbps 16 Gbps
Interface / Bus 256-bit 192-bit 128-bit 64-bit 64-bit
Memory Size (Max) 16 GB 12 GB 8 GB 4 GB 4 GB
Smart Cache Size 16 MB 16 MB 8 MB TBC TBC
Graphics Execution Units (EUs) 512 384 256 196 128
Graphics Frequency (High) Mobile 1.1 GHz 600 MHz 450 MHz TBC TBC
Graphics Frequency (Turbo) Mobile 1.8 GHz 1.8 GHz 1.4 GHz TBC TBC
TDP Mobile (Chip Only)
100 100 100 TBC TBC
TDP Desktop TBC TBC TBC TBC TBC

The following picture now shows a layout draft from the design kit for the notebooks with 4 or 6 memory modules, which could indicate the expansion with 4 (SKU4 and SKU5) as well as 8 or 12 GB (SKU2 and SKU 3).

Board layout for DG2 in the notebook together with the BGA CPU

The chip itself is also still a little unicorn, but at least the socket BGA2660 could be “procured” as a graphic. Interesting all the same, if you look at the number and arrangement of the pins. I don’t have any further details for now, but that certainly doesn’t mean there aren’t any yet. So some more content needs to be gathered here.

Which brings us to the software and drivers. I had already written several times about who has left the team since the Odyssey event at Computex 2019, from PR to the desktop control center team for the dedicated cards. There were quite a few of them, and even die-hard Intelians have (re)ended up at AMD in the meantime. Now they are clearly looking for replacements and again for new people. So Pete Brubaker had recently tweeted that Intel is now looking for a Senior Game Developer Relations Engineer. The fact that Intel is now actively recruiting people who also have experience in working with game developers obviously proves that Intel does see new opportunities in the booming gaming market for the DG2 cards. Where and when this “Odyssey” will end for the time being, however, is still more than open. Especially as a dedicated desktop card.

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konkretor

Veteran

148 Kommentare 115 Likes

Oh nein doch keine Intel Graka in 2021 für den Desktop zu kaufen :cry:

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Freiheraus

Mitglied

20 Kommentare 30 Likes

Um mir mal die Intel UHD 750 im Vergleich zur Vega 7 (Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G) anzuschauen, habe ich mir kurzerhand einen Core i5-11500 besorgt. Und ehrlich gesagt, habe ich jetzt schon keinen Bock mehr. Ich habe zig mal den neusten GPU-Treiber Installiert, mit DDU Säuberungen durchgeführt, das Bios upgedatet, mit allen möglichen Stromspar-Einstellungen herumprobiert, aber es laufen ums Verrecken keine DX12-Spiele und -Benchmarks. Ich meine, nicht mal das läpische Night Raid läuft, von Time Spy gar nicht zu reden.
Ist das Intels Ernst? Habe die noch allen Latten am Zaun? Sowas zu releasen... was für eine Zeitverplemperung!

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Igor Wallossek

Format©

5,827 Kommentare 9,059 Likes

Genau das habe ich mich wegen des Nachtests der DG1 auch gefragt. DX9 lief.... etwas. :D

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Besterino

Urgestein

5,353 Kommentare 2,239 Likes

Och menno. So 2012 zu Zeiten der 3000er Mobile-Chips von Intel fand ich die iGPU gar nicht verkehrt. Lief problemlos in meinem Notebook (A102) als „Optimus“ (ohne Prime) zusammen mit einer NVIDIA als Gaming-Beschleuniger. Hat mir viel Freude bereitet.

Hatte eigentlich gehofft, dass da auch bei Intel mal was vorwärts geht.

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Oberst

Veteran

168 Kommentare 43 Likes

Lese ich das richtig, dass Intel die GPU mit 12 Lanes anbinden will? Das ist ja mal schräg, bisher gab's immer nur 8 oder 16, aber 12 wäre mir neu.

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alles_alles

Urgestein

764 Kommentare 178 Likes

hat auf meinem 4650g einwandfrei gearbeitet. mit etwa 45 fps oder so

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RedF

Urgestein

1,604 Kommentare 623 Likes

Lies nochmal. Die igpu vom Intel wollte nicht richtig laufen.

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alles_alles

Urgestein

764 Kommentare 178 Likes

Das hab ich ^^ :) was will ich zu dem Intel ding sagen habs ja nicht :^^ Es sollte nur unterstreichen wie ausgereift die apus sind bei amd :)

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RedF

Urgestein

1,604 Kommentare 623 Likes

Da habe ich dich falsch verstanden.

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eastcoast_pete

Veteran

223 Kommentare 54 Likes

Was mich dann aber doch wundert: Wenn die Intel Xe Treiber tatsächlich so grottig schlecht sind daß da nichts läuft, wie schaffen es dann eine doch nicht so kleine Zahl von Reviewern von Tiger Lake Notebooks (mit Xe iGPU) doch noch Graphik Benchmarks zu messen? Was stimmt denn da nicht? Wenn bei mir eine GraKa dauernd abschmiert, würde ich doch eine fette Null bei den fps eintragen, oder? Hat hier jemand ein TL Notebook, und wie sieht's da mit Spielen aus?

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