Question GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

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Hi,
I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab.

The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is empty. With stock bios there are Mhz frequencies.

Is there any known problems with flashing Gigabyte cards?
Any suggestions on what other forums I may ask for assistance?
Is it possible that the OEM bios is signed, and any modified bios will be rejected?
If the bios is signed, any tools to resign, or would I need to buy a card from a different vendor?

Thanks,

Alley Cat
 
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For best result with no crashing as below:

Gigabyte RX 5700 XT GAMING (Micron)

- Under Overdrive Limits tab, set:
GFX Maximum Clock 1450
Memory Maximum Clock 1000 MHz

- Under Power and Voltages, set:
Maximum voltage GFX 850 mv
Maximum voltage SoC 1050 mv
Minimum voltage GFX 750 mv
Minimum voltage SoC 750 mv
Power Limit GPU 140 W
TDC Limit GFX 166 A
TDC limit SoC 14 A

- Under Frequency tap, set:
GFX maximum 1450 MHz
Memory DPM 3 - 960 MHz

- Under Fan tab, set:
Zero RPM Enable - YES
Fan Acoustic Limit 2400 RPM
Fan throttling 2400 RPM

For the memory straps is the Apple Inc. one.

Set the memory clock at 950-960 MHz, VDDCI at 825-850 mv, MVDD at 1350 mv, the core clock at 1435 MHz, VDD at 800 mv.
Thank you very much for your hard work. My rig style preference is high density (i.e., cards above 56MH/s) at low power (i.e., ration above 0.5).

You are bringing an excellent point. It looks like the power table above is a generic table to prevent setting values that could lead the card crashes.

If I apply these settings, I may lose some optimization adjustment by the OS settings. I want to be able to make the fine adjustments in HiveOS.

For example, the Core frequency, I'd like to be able to push to 1500 before reaching the bios cap.

The memory clock, although some cards are stable only to 960MHz, I'd like to be able to test new cards at higher memory speed, and without having to modify the power table.,

In most cards, I can reach stability at below 750mv.

What I plan to do is a cards' database and track each card's performance. If I find a card with constant crashes, I will modify that card's power settings alone.

I am going to take a break and let the system run for a while. I will post the cards table as I deal with occasional crashes until the whole rig becomes stable with all cards.

I may take out the Sapphire Micros to my test rig and perform a new optimization table for that card alone.

Great work. Thank you again. I will be looking forward to seeing a summary guide.

Best regards,
AlleyCat
 
Thank you very much for your hard work. My rig style preference is high density (i.e., cards above 56MH/s) at low power (i.e., ration above 0.5).

You are bringing an excellent point. It looks like the power table above is a generic table to prevent setting values that could lead the card crashes.

If I apply these settings, I may lose some optimization adjustment by the OS settings. I want to be able to make the fine adjustments in HiveOS.

For example, the Core frequency, I'd like to be able to push to 1500 before reaching the bios cap.

The memory clock, although some cards are stable only to 960MHz, I'd like to be able to test new cards at higher memory speed, and without having to modify the power table.,

In most cards, I can reach stability at below 750mv.

What I plan to do is a cards' database and track each card's performance. If I find a card with constant crashes, I will modify that card's power settings alone.

I am going to take a break and let the system run for a while. I will post the cards table as I deal with occasional crashes until the whole rig becomes stable with all cards.

I may take out the Sapphire Micros to my test rig and perform a new optimization table for that card alone.

Great work. Thank you again. I will be looking forward to seeing a summary guide.

Best regards,
AlleyCat
You are very welcome, I am glad to assist you in this matter,

From our study together we both proofed that too much undervolting will yield to instability and increased power consumption like the overclocking however less impact than the overclocking as the later increase the temperature as well,

The last power table that I sent it is a universal mining one that works in both HiveOS and PhoenixMiner 5.1c with best performance to power ratio for all cards, tested on multiple brands with Micron and Samsung memories,

If you want a way to test the card potential then no need to make a power play table, the default bios of any card is really a good way to test its potential, what you need only is to modify the vram straps and to apply Apple ones and start testing, after you find the best setting then you can make a power table and lock the card at these settings,

The only thing that I would to test is the potential of Samsung memory as I belive it can reach 1000 MHz and perhaps even beyond that, whenever you like to test the Samsung memory, I would like to assist you with that.

You have done an excellent work until now, My sincere gratitude for you regarding everything here on this thread,

You may have a nice sleep,

Good night.
 
You are very welcome, I am glad to assist you in this matter,

From our study together we both proofed that too much undervolting will yield to instability and increased power consumption like the overclocking however less impact than the overclocking as the later increase the temperature as well,

The last power table that I sent it is a universal mining one that works in both HiveOS and PhoenixMiner 5.1c with best performance to power ratio for all cards, tested on multiple brands with Micron and Samsung memories,

If you want a way to test the card potential then no need to make a power play table, the default bios of any card is really a good way to test its potential, what you need only is to modify the vram straps and to apply Apple ones and start testing, after you find the best setting then you can make a power table and lock the card at these settings,

The only thing that I would to test is the potential of Samsung memory as I belive it can reach 1000 MHz and perhaps even beyond that, whenever you like to test the Samsung memory, I would like to assist you with that.

You have done an excellent work until now, My sincere gratitude for you regarding everything here on this thread,

You may have a nice sleep,

Good night.
If you think the Samsung memory could run at high frequency - I will be happy to help. I know many people would want to know how to do that.

Please send the steps to test, and I will setup the test for the Samsung card.

Best regards,
AlleyCat
 
Good morning. It looks like I have one card that got too hot. What factors contribute to the memory temp, and what would you suggest to adjust?

Thanks.
Alley Cat
 
If you think the Samsung memory could run at high frequency - I will be happy to help. I know many people would want to know how to do that.

Please send the steps to test, and I will setup the test for the Samsung card.

Best regards,
AlleyCat
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This is the final power table for any RX 5700 card in the kindly attached link below,

 
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Good morning. It looks like I have one card that got too hot. What factors contribute to the memory temp, and what would you suggest to adjust?

Thanks.
Alley Cat
The factors contribute to the memory temp in the first place is the memory clock, second is the mvdd, too little or too much mvdd will yield to high temperature,
after that VDDCI and SoC.
 
Greetings and good day,
I hope you are fine and safe,

My apologies for the late reply,

You can use the power table below to test for the memories and other test you like to do:

- Under Overdrive Limits tab, set:
GFX Maximum Clock 1550
Memory Maximum Clock (1000 Micron - 1125 Samsung) MHz

- Under Power and Voltages, set:
Maximum voltage GFX 900 mv
Maximum voltage SoC 1200 mv
Minimum voltage GFX 600 mv
Minimum voltage SoC 800 mv
Power Limit GPU 150 W
TDC Limit GFX 166 A
TDC limit SoC 14 A

- Under Frequency tap, set:
GFX maximum 1400 MHz
Memory DPM 3 - 960 MHz

- Under Fan tab, set:
Zero RPM Enable - YES

For the memory straps is the Apple Inc. one.

From the start let us set the memory clock at (995 Micron - 1120 Samsung) MHz and decrease by 5 MHz until you reach 960 MHz after that please update me,
For the rest parameters, VDDCI at (900 Micron - 950 Samsung) mv, MVDD at 1395 mv, the core clock at 1450 MHz, VDD at 800 mv.
I will start testing later afternoon or tomorrow morning.

Great instructions. Thanks.
 
I will start testing later afternoon or tomorrow morning.

Great instructions. Thanks.
Below is an advanced way, please read thoroughly:

1- In windows safe mode, if needed reflash the original or backed up vbios with AtiFlashTool 2.93+, copy the link below and paste in the browser to download,

2- Using MorePowerTool from the kindly attached link below,


Apply the setting below,

3- Under Features tab, set:
Zero RPM: Uncheck (Disable, for those who have high memory temperature)

4- Under Feature Control (For stable Hashrate and to prevent hashrate from dropping to 0 MH/s in addition to disable R6 Render Standby in the motherboard bios settings if exists), set:
DS_GFXCLK: Uncheck (Disable)
ACDC: Check (Enable)
[To disable unwanted output ports or to make the card headless in order to save power and free lanes, choose any of the below,
VCN_PG: Uncheck (Disable, to disable the HDMI port)
JPEG_PG: Uncheck (Disable, to disable the display ports)
ATHUB_PG: Uncheck (Disable, to disable all the output ports and turn the card to headless)],

5- Under Overdrive Limits tab, set:
GFX Maximum Clock 1440 MHz
Memory Maximum Clock 960 MHz
Power Limit Maximum 0%
Power Limit Minimum 0%
Memory Timing Control: 1 [For computing (mining), default is 2 for gaming]
Zero RPM Control: 0 (For those who have high memory temperature)

6- Under Power and Voltages, set:
Maximum Voltage GFX: 1050 mV
[must not be lower than this as the MVDD default value in the vbios is at 1350 mV and the VDD must be within 300 mV range with MVDD or components may get degraded and permanent damaged]
Maximum Voltage SoC: 1050 mV
[must not be lower than this like the Maximum Voltage GFX]
Minimum Voltage GFX: 750 mV (800 mV for non XT)
Minimum Voltage SoC: 750 mV (800 mV for non XT)
Power Limit GPU: 155 W (145 W for non XT)
TDC Limit GFX: 135 A (125 A for non XT)
TDC Limit SoC: 15 A

7- Under Frequency tap, set:
GFX Maximum: 1270 MHz
Memory DPM 3: 900 MHz

[Regarding SoC Maximum, must be kept at default 1267 MHz in the vbios, capping it at another value must be done inside the OS using a script in linux or editing the registry using MorePowerTool in Windows and at your own discretion, recommended values for memory types at specific clocks as below,

Memory Clock - - - > SoC Maximum,
900 (1800) MHz - - - > 1086 MHz (Samsung, Micron & Hynix),
950 (1900) MHz - - - > 1267 MHz (Micron and Hynix, here the default 1267 MHz is preferred),

8- Under Fan tab, set:
Zero RPM Enabled: Uncheck (Disable, for those who have high memory temperature)
Stop Temperature: 50° C
Start Temperature: 60° C

9- After that click Write SPPT,

10- Keep MorePowerTool running, do not close it and click on Curve tab,

11- Download and Unzip CRU.zip and inside its folder run as Administrator restart64.exe to restart the gpu driver,

12- Download and run as Administrator, Navi Curve Helper and keep it running,

13- Run AMD Raedon software as Administrator, Click on Manual, Enable GPU tuning, Enable Advanced Control and note down the default parameters of frequencies and voltages under the diagram ,

Now you have 3 programs opened,

14- Copy the Curvature, Vertex and Offset from the Curve tab in MorePowerTool to the Stock curve parameters in the NaviCurveHelper,

15- Copy the frequencies and voltages under the diagram in the AMD Raedon software to the Stock voltage ports, please note that the frequencies in NaviCurveHelper are in GHz and not MHz, E.g.; 800 MHz = 0.800 GHz and the frequencies in the AMD Raedon software should be (800, 1120, 1440) MHz,

16- Now copy the same frequencies from AMD Raedon software to the Modded curve parameters in the NaviCurveHelper and enter the voltages in the Modded voltage ports, left 0.725, middle 0.750, right 0.800 (for non XT, left 0.750, middle 0.775, right 0.800)

17- Now copy the Modded curve parameters, Curvature, Vertex and Offset from the NaviCurveHelper to the MorePowerTool ones under the Curve tab and Enable Override AVFS and Click Write SPPT,

18- Now restart the gpu driver again using restart64.exe and Save the .MPT file,

19- Now using the latest version of RedBiosEditor,
load the card vbios, load the .MPT file and apply Apple Inc. vram timings straps for Micron, and Save the vbios after that load the vbios again and apply the Samsung straps if it is existed and save the vbios again,

or you can choose below instead of Apple Inc. vram timings,

- K4Z80325BC (Samsung)
2000 MHz (Copy) - - - > (Paste) 2250 MHz
1800 MHz - - - > 2000 MHz
(1500 or 1550) MHz - - - > 1800 MHz

- MT61K256M32 (Micron)
1875 MHz - - - > 2000 MHz
1750 MHz - - - > (1800 - 1875) MHz
(1500 or 1550) MHz - - - > 1750 MHz

- H56C8H24AIR (Hynix)
1800 MHz - - - > (1875 - 2000) MHz
(1500 or 1550) MHz - - - > 1800 MHz

Memory Clock - tREF
[The recommended ratio is 3.9 and max at 4, for an example, 3900 tREF ÷ 1000 MHz = 3.9]
1000 MHz - 3900 (Samsung, Micron & Hynix)
1250 MHz - 4875 (Samsung, Micron & Hynix)
1360 MHz - 5304 (Samsung only)
(1500 or 1550) MHz - (5850 or 6045) (Samsung, Micron and Hynix)
1750 MHz - 6825 (Micron only)
1800 MHz - 7020 (Samsung, Micron & Hynix)
1875 MHz - 7315 (Micron & Hynix only)
2000 MHz - 7800 (Samsung, Micron and Hynix)
2060 MHz - 8034 (Samsung only)
2250 MHz - 8775 (Samsung only)

20- Save the vbios and reflash it like how you reflashed the backup one above,

21- Install HiveOS on an SSD and not USB flash drive and set it up properly, after that apply the below,
In HiveOs, first note down the default gpu parameters then follow the below,

- Core Parameters,
Keep the ratio of Core clock to VDD at 1.79 or below (default is 1.70) as beyond that negative scaling may start which means lowering performance and occurring instability and increasing temperature,

- Memory parameters,
~ Samsung (K4Z80325BC-HC14),
Memory clock at 900 MHz more than may not be stable,

~ Micron (MT61K256M32JE-14),
Memory clock at 900 MHz for power saving and lower temperature like for Samsung memory and 935 or 950 MHz for performance,

~ Hynix (H56C8H24AIR-SC),
Memory clock at 900 MHz for power saving and lower temperature, for performance 935 or 950 MHz,

[*Disclaimer regarding the memory temperature to avoid and prevent its degradation and being baked again that might lead to connection loose,

For Samsung (K4Z80325BC-HC14),
For operating at 24/7, the temperature must not exceed 74° C,
Other than this will fall under the below,
At (80 ± 5)° C, operating for 24/7 requires putting the system on a break of 1 to 2 hour (depending on the ambient temperature) after 48 hour of operation,
At (100 ± 5)° C, operating for 24/7 requires putting the system on a break of 1 to 2 hour (depending on the ambient temperature) after 36 hour of operation,
At (125 ± 5)° C, operating for 24/7 requires putting the system on a break of 1 to 2 hour (depending on the ambient temperature) after 24 hour of operation,

For Micron (MT61K256M32JE-14) and Hynix (H56C8H24AIR-SC), it is the same as for Samsung (K4Z80325BC-HC14) even thought Micron Inc. and SK Hynix stated it can run from (0 to 95)° C, however this is for normal use and not for 24/7 of operation].

Due to air cooling is being used, the highly recommend approximate setting as below,
[For optimal hashrate, keep the gap between the core clock and memory clock at 480 MHz]
[The recommended and safe ratio between VDDCI and Memory clock is 2.24 (Default is 2.06) For Samsung, Micron and Hynix, for example: 1800 (900*2) MHz ÷ 805 = ~2.24]

Core clock, VDD : Memory clock, VDDCI, MVDD, TeamRedMiner Mode A Hashrate

~ Samsung and Micron,
- 1370 MHz, 770 or 780 mV : 890 (1780/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1310 mV, ~54.40 MH/s,
- 1380 MHz, 780 or 790 mV : 900 (1800/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1310 mV, ~55.30 MH/s,

~ Micron,
- 1415 MHz, 795 or 805 mV : 935 (1870/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1350 mV, ~57.10 MH/s,
- 1430 MHz, 805 or 815 mV : 950 (1900/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1350 mV, ~58.10 MH/s.

~ Hynix,
- 1370 MHz, 770 or 780 mV : 890 (1780/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1250 mV, ~54.40 MH/s,
- 1380 MHz, 780 or 785 mV : 900 (1800/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1250 mV, ~55.10 MH/s,
- 1415 MHz, 795 or 805 mV : 935 (1870/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1250 mV, ~57.10 MH/s,
- 1430 MHz, 805 or 815 mV : 950 (1900/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1250 mV, ~58.10 MH/s,

22- Reboot the system and check the results,

Best Regards.
 
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I will start testing later afternoon or tomorrow morning.

Great instructions. Thanks.
Regarding the limits of the vram unfortunately the most stable and safe clock that can be reached is 960 MHz (1920 MHz) with safe MVDD at 1350 +15 mv, 800 + 30 VDDCI and more than this needs an increase in both the MVDD and VDDCI that may yield to the vram degradation for the long run, therefore it is highly recommended to not exceed 960 MHz for Micron.
 
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I will start testing later afternoon or tomorrow morning.

Great instructions. Thanks.
Greetings and good day,
I hope you are fine and safe,

My apologies for the late reply,

You can use the power table below to test for the memories and other test you like to do:

- Under Overdrive Limits tab, set:
GFX Maximum Clock 1550
Memory Maximum Clock (1000 Micron - 1125 Samsung) MHz

- Under Power and Voltages, set:
Maximum voltage GFX 900 mv
Maximum voltage SoC 1200 mv
Minimum voltage GFX 600 mv
Minimum voltage SoC 800 mv
Power Limit GPU 150 W
TDC Limit GFX 166 A
TDC limit SoC 14 A

- Under Frequency tap, set:
GFX maximum 1400 MHz
Memory DPM 3 - 960 MHz

- Under Fan tab, set:
Zero RPM Enable - YES

For the memory straps is the Apple Inc. one.

From the start let us set the memory clock at 980 MHz and decrease by 5 MHz until you reach 960 MHz after that please update me,
For the rest parameters, VDDCI at (850 Micron & Samsung) mv, MVDD at 1385 mv, the core clock at 1450 MHz, VDD at 800 mv.
Good morning,

I updated the instructions for testing the memory clock at higher safe and stable clock,

I look forward to your updates,

You may have a good day,

Best Regards.
 
Good morning,

I updated the instructions for testing the memory clock at higher safe and stable clock,

I look forward to your updates,

You may have a good day,

Best Regards.
Goor morning. Thank you for the update. I will plan to start new testing later afternoon. I need to setup a new test environment and it will take me some time.
I am interested to see what changes are done to the cards.

I will update you, but it will be most likely by the end of the day.

Best regards,
Alley Cat.
 
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Goor morning. Thank you for the update. I will plan to start new testing later afternoon. I need to setup a new test environment and it will take me some time.
I am interested to see what changes are done to the cards.

I will update you, but it will be most likely by the end of the day.

Best regards,
Alley Cat.
Great and you are very welcome,

By the way, I sent a message above before with the setting that may yield to approximately 0.6 ratio, please check it out.
 
Greetings and good day,

I brought you something very good and tested for a ratio above 0.6 however with RX 5700 XTX 50th Anniversary which has better PCB than the others, I hope it will suit your cards, as below and please read thoroughly:

- Reflash the original vbios with AtiFlashTool 3.04+

- Under Features tab enable all the overdive features,
- Under Overdrive Limits tab, set:
GFX Maximum Clock 1600 MHz
Memory Maximum Clock 1000 MHz
Under Power and Voltages, set:
Maximum Voltage GFX 900 mv
Maximum Voltage SoC 1150 mv
Minimum Voltage GFX 650 mv
Minimum Voltage SoC 750 mv
Power Limit GPU 140 W
TDC Limit GFX 140 A
TDC Limit SoC 12 A
Zero RPM Control 1
- Under Frequency tap, set:
GFX Maximum 1200 MHz
SoC Maximum 1150 MHz
SoC Minimum 550 MHz
Memory DPM 3 - 950 MHz
- Under Fan tab, set:
Zero RPM Enable - YES

- After that click Write SPPT,

- Keep MorePowerTool running, do not close it and click on Curve tab,

- Download and Unzip CRU.zip and inside its folder run as Administrator restart64.exe to restart the gpu driver,

- Download and run as Administrator, Navi Curve Helper and keep it running,

- Run AMD Raedon software as Administrator, Click on Manual, Enable GPU tuning, Enable Advanced Control and note down the default parameters of frequencies and voltages under the diagram ,

Now you have 3 programs opened,

- Copy the Curvature, Vertex and Offset from the Curve tab in MorePowerTool to the Stock curve parameters in the NaviCurveHelper,

- Copy the frequencies and voltages under the diagram in the AMD Raedon software to the Stock voltage ports, please note that the frequencies in NaviCurveHelper are in GHz and not MHz, E.g.; 800 MHz = 0.8 GHz and the frequencies in the AMD Raedon software should be (800, 1200, 1600) MHz,

- Now copy the same frequencies from AMD Raedon software to the Modded curve parameters in the NaviCurveHelper and enter the voltages in the Modded voltage ports, left 0.65, middle 0.7, right 0.85,

- Now copy the Modded curve parameters, Curvature, Vertex and Offset from the NaviCurveHelper to the MorePowerTool ones under the Curve tab and Enable Override AVFS and Click Write SPPT,

- Now restart the gpu driver again using restart64.exe and Save the .MPT file,

- Now using the newer version of RedBiosEditor 1.0.7,
load the card vbios, load the .MPT file and apply Apple Inc. vram timings straps for Micron, and Save the vbios after that load the vbios again and apply the Samsung straps if it is existed and save the vbios again,

- Now reflash the modded bios,

- In HiveOs, note down the default gpu parameters after that, set the core clock at 1435 MHz, VDD at 800 mv, VDDCI at 800 mv and the MVDD at 1365 mv for memory clock 960 MHz or 1350 mv for 950 MHz both (Samsung and Micron),
Enable AutoFan (or for the best set the Fan at 50%),
After that check the results.

Please do update me whenever it is possible,

Best Regards.
Hi,
Thank you for waiting. I did not want to touch my production, so I purchased a cheap ASRock 5700XT Challenger. I applied the settings as suggested and the card is unstable. I suspect that the RX 5700 XTX 50th Anniversary has much better tolerance to low volts.

How can I convert this mod, which changes the curve, to a less "agressive", and more compatible with cards that have less tolerance?

I will continue the testings on the new ASRock, and stabilize a uniform settings. I will then attempt to modify the Gigabyte cards.

By the way, I will run the card with Apple straps only and compare its general performance against the other cards. The ASRock has a Micron memory.

Thanks,

AlleyCat
 
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Hi,
Thank you for waiting. I did not want to touch my production, so I purchased a cheap ASRock 5700XT Challenger. I applied the settings as suggested and the card is unstable. I suspect that the RX 5700 XTX 50th Anniversary has much better tolerance to low volts.

How can I convert this mod, which changes the curve, to a less "agressive", and more compatible with cards that have less tolerance?

I will continue the testings on the new ASRock, and stabilize a uniform settings. I will then attempt to modify the Gigabyte cards.

By the way, I will run the card with Apple straps only and compare its general performance against the other cards. The ASRock has a Micron memory.

Thanks,

AlleyCat
Hi,

Please, could you inform me what settings have been applied?
What was the card behavior when it is unstable?
And what is the default parameters shown in the AMD Raedon software under the diagram?

Best Regards.
 
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Hi,
Thank you for waiting. I did not want to touch my production, so I purchased a cheap ASRock 5700XT Challenger. I applied the settings as suggested and the card is unstable. I suspect that the RX 5700 XTX 50th Anniversary has much better tolerance to low volts.

How can I convert this mod, which changes the curve, to a less "agressive", and more compatible with cards that have less tolerance?

I will continue the testings on the new ASRock, and stabilize a uniform settings. I will then attempt to modify the Gigabyte cards.

By the way, I will run the card with Apple straps only and compare its general performance against the other cards. The ASRock has a Micron memory.

Thanks,

AlleyCat
We are going to adjust point no. 13 first after that no. 3 and lastly no. 4, to make it suits other cards,

please check the instructions again as I updated it and before that please verify the fan were working properly after you did the previous instructions.
 
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Hi,

Please, could you inform me what settings have been applied?
What was the card behavior when it is unstable?
And what is the default parameters shown in the AMD Raedon software under the diagram?

Best Regards.
Hi,
I applied all ranges.
Code 1600 to 1350
Core power 700mv - 850mv
Memory 875 - 950

I am going to continue tomorrow.

Good night.
 
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