Question GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

[AlleyCat]

Hi,
I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab.

The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is empty. With stock bios there are Mhz frequencies.

Is there any known problems with flashing Gigabyte cards?
Any suggestions on what other forums I may ask for assistance?
Is it possible that the OEM bios is signed, and any modified bios will be rejected?
If the bios is signed, any tools to resign, or would I need to buy a card from a different vendor?

Thanks,

Alley Cat

 

[Mini_Me]

Some new thing i found out:
So my sapphire pulse rx 5700 xt bios version was

017.001.000.068.000000

the only 5700 i found was not having same number so i manually edited this one in hxd
Anhang anzeigen 6861

Sapphire RX 5700 VBIOS

8 GB GDDR6, 1400 MHz GPU, 1750 MHz Memory

www.techpowerup.com

after a successfull forced flash:
53MH 92w
will try to get the XT back using red bios editor
Anhang anzeigen 6862

My advice is to stay on the non XT bios and to modify the vram timings with one of the methods below,

1- To copy the (1500 or 1550) strap to the rest of the straps after it, then apply the tREF values as below:

Memory Clock - tREF
1000 MHz - 3900 (Samsung & Micron)
1250 MHz - 4875 (Samsung & Micron)
1550 MHz - 6045 (Samsung & Micron)
1750 MHz - 6825 (Micron only)
1800 MHz - 7020 (Samsung & Micron)
1875 MHz - 7315 (Micron only)
2000 MHz - 7800 (Samsung & Micron)
2250 MHz - 8775 (Samsung only)

2- To apply Apple Inc. vram timings from the link below,

Question - GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

Hi, I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab. The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is...

www.igorslab.de

 

[Mini_Me]

If applying 1500 to the bottom before 57.414 => 94w

Start with the settings below,

For cards with Samsung memory,
Core clock @ VDD
1500 MHz @ 825 or 830 mv
Memory clock @ VDDCI & MVDD
920 or 925 or 930 MHz @ 820 or 825 or 830 mv & 1360 or 1365 mv

For cards with Micron memory,
Core clock @ VDD
1430 or 1435 or 1440 MHz @ 800 mv
Memory clock @ VDDCI & MVDD
950 or 960 MHz @ 800 or 825 mv & 1350 or 1365 mv

After that start reducing the clocks and voltages until reaching the desired performance of MH/s to power Watt ratio while maintaining the stability and safety of the system.

 

[0Lucifer0]

CORE 1400
VDD/VDDCI 750
Mem 935

seems to be stable 58.4 for 95w

 

[Mini_Me]

CORE 1400
VDD/VDDCI 750
Mem 935

seems to be stable 58.4 for 95w
Anhang anzeigen 6867

The system will crash on the long run under these settings,

[Updated]
This is the final power table for any RX 5700 card in the kindly attached link below,

Question - GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

Hi, I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab. The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is...

www.igorslab.de

 

[ilmeccaico]

WIth the above power table the Phoenix miner in Windows 10 crash .
Note that I used the straps provided by Apple Inc

Sorry for the stupid question but I'm inexperienced.
Where do I find Apple straps ?

Thanks

 

[Mini_Me]

Sorry for the stupid question but I'm inexperienced.
Where do I find Apple straps ?

Thanks

On the contrary, it is a wise thinking to ask, and we were all inexperienced at the beginning as well therefore do not worry about it,
You can find it in the kindly attached link below,

https://www.igorslab.de/community/attachments/k4z80325bc-mt61k256m32_gddr6_optimized_timings-zip.6544/

Question - GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

Hi, I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab. The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is...

www.igorslab.de

 

[Mini_Me]

CORE 1400
VDD/VDDCI 750
Mem 935

seems to be stable 58.4 for 95w
Anhang anzeigen 6867

For PhoenixMiner, please see below,

-amd -acm -gt (run auto-tune) -mode 1 -clNew 1 -clf 0 -lidag 1

 

[0Lucifer0]

The system will crash on the long run under these settings,

HiveOS approximate lowest stable settings are below, you can choose the one that you want, any decreasing yield to instability for the long run, the chip quality still play a role here, you can increase the voltages values by 5 mv in case the chip quality is average and a crash happened at the long run,

Core Clock @ VDD
1450 MHz @ 800 mv,
1440 MHz @ 795 mv,
1435 MHz @ 790 mv,
1425 MHz @ 785 mv,
1420 MHz @ 780 mv,
1410 MHz @ 775 mv,
1400 MHz @ 770 mv,
1390 MHz @ 765 mv,
1380 MHz @ 760 mv,
1360 MHz @ 750 mv,

Micron memory Clock @ VDDCI & MVDD
960 MHz @ 810 mv & 1360 mv,
950 MHz @ 800 mv & 1345 mv,
940 MHz @ 790 mv & 1335 mv
935 MHz @ 785 mv & 1325 mv,
930 MHz @ 780 mv & 1320 mv,
920 MHz @ 775 mv & 1305 mv,
915 MHz @ 770 mv & 1300 mv
910 MHz @ 765 mv & 1290 mv,
900 MHz @ 755 mv & 1275 mv,
890 MHz @ 750 mv & 1265 mv,

Samsung memory Clock @ VDDCI & MVDD
930 MHz @ 830 mv & 1380,
920 MHz @ 820 mv & 1360,
910 MHz @ 810 mv & 1350,
900 MHz @ 800 mv & 1340,

Best Regards.

those are the settings for a rx 5700 xt flashed with a modded rx 5700 xt bios and 5700 flash to 5700 xt
My case is for a rx 5700 xt flash with a modded rx 5700 bios (the opposite of what people commonly do)

Haven't tried to change MPT nor apple straps as they might not be good for my case (i trust 5700 already have lower voltages).
Haven't seen anybody trying this yet so i felt like it should be shared.

Unfortunately not having anything to measure at the wall but if anybody try this (flash xt to non xt) let me know if you also get a nice decrease in watts

 

[Mini_Me]

those are the settings for a rx 5700 xt flashed with a modded rx 5700 xt bios and 5700 flash to 5700 xt
My case is for a rx 5700 xt flash with a modded rx 5700 bios (the opposite of what people commonly do)

Haven't tried to change MPT nor apple straps as they might not be good for my case (i trust 5700 already have lower voltages).
Haven't seen anybody trying this yet so i felt like it should be shared.

Unfortunately not having anything to measure at the wall but if anybody try this (flash xt to non xt) let me know if you also get a nice decrease in watts

Great finding, I hope that no impacts from doing that for the long run,

I would like to request a simple favor from your kindself which is to take a screenshots or photos for every tab of the MorePowerTool v1.2 or above regarding Features, Overdrive Limits, Power and Voltage, Frequency, Curve, Fan tabs and also the Feature Control of the PPTable Features under Features tab of a genuine RX 5700 non XT whenever it is possible,

When you open the MorePowerTool v1.2 as an Administrator, the Feature Control will be the first thing in front of you, by clicking on the Feature Control a new window will open,

Many thanks in advance.

 

[AlleyCat]

Great finding, I hope that no impacts from doing that for the long run,

I would like to request a simple favor from your kindself which is to take a screenshots or photos for every tab of the MorePowerTool v1.2 or above regarding Features, Overdrive Limits, Power and Voltage, Frequency, Curve, Fan tabs and also the Feature Control of the PPTable Features under Features tab of a genuine RX 5700 non XT whenever it is possible,

When you open the MorePowerTool v1.2 as an Administrator, the Feature Control will be the first thing in front of you, by clicking on the Feature Control a new window will open,

Many thanks in advance.

I am looking forward to seeing the differences between the XT and NON-XT bios.

@0Lucifer0, thanks for posting on https://forum.hiveos.farm/t/rx-5700-xt-58-4mh-s-95w/18220.

 

[Mini_Me]

I am most interested in your findings.

I received an AMD 5700 XT Reference card.
I did the Power Table and APple Straps, and out of the gate the runs 56.9MH/s at 99W. WOW. What a difference in the card's engineering. I will search for deals on reference cards, and other "better-engineered cards like the Gigabyte Aorus, or Sapphire Nitro+.

The settings with the AMD Reference are: Core 1400/800mv, mem 910MHz, 800 VDD/800 VDDCI/1330 MVDD.
Can you suggest configuration options for the reference card?

Best regards,
AlleyCat

Great news, it seems it is still possible to flash the bios of non XT to XT one, please check the linked post below by 0Lucifer0,

Question - GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

Hi, I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab. The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is...

www.igorslab.de

 

[AlleyCat]

Actually no need for that, what you need is to increase your Micrin memory clock to 955 MHz or 960 MHz with core clock at 1435 MHz or 1440 MHz with modified vram straps and you will get the same hash rate,

I would like to request a simple favor from your kindself which is to take a screenshot or photo for the Feature Control of the PPTable Features under Features tab in the MorePowerTool v1.2 or above of your MSI RX 5700 Gaming whenever it is possible,
When you open the MorePowerTool v1.2 as an Administrator, the Feature Control will be the first thing in front of you, by clicking on the Feature Control a new window will open and here you can take the screen shot or photo for it,

Many thanks in advance.

I uploaded an RX 5700 (non-XT) to the AMD Reference 5700XT.
Please find is the Power Table Features:

 

[ilmeccaico]

On the contrary, it is a wise thinking to ask, and we were all inexperienced at the beginning as well therefore do not worry about it,
You can find it in the kindly attached link below,

https://www.igorslab.de/community/attachments/k4z80325bc-mt61k256m32_gddr6_optimized_timings-zip.6544/

Question - GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

Hi, I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab. The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is...

www.igorslab.de

Tell me if I am doing it right
-first
i edit my rom with MPT as shown here

Question - GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

Hi, I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab. The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is...

www.igorslab.de

-second
I modify with Apple straps
-third
I set voltages and frequencies

but after putting on Apple straps tREF and tCL do i have to modify them?

 

[Mini_Me]

I uploaded an RX 5700 (non-XT) to the AMD Reference 5700XT.
Please find is the Power Table Features:

Thank you very much for your kind and help,

I found out there is no difference in the Feature Control between different brands of cards,

Please could you take a screenshots or photos for the other tabs of the MorePowerTool regarding Features, Overdrive Limits, Power and Voltage, Frequency, Curve, Fan tabs for the non XT as well,

Many thanks in advance.

 

[AlleyCat]

These are the tabs of the RX 5700 non-XT. The pictures came from the default settings.

 

[AlleyCat]

I can find NO benefit for running the RX 5700 NON-XT and the 5700 XT bios on the same card.
Card: AMD Reference / Samsung memory
HiveOS settings:
Core 1360MHz 775mv
Memory: 920 MHz, VDDCI 880, MVDD 1350
57 MH/s at 101-103W.

I used the same HiveOS settings with Apple straps.

I did find some benefits for Apple straps with the same settings. I compared the Apple straps with 1500 stock, copied to all higher frequencies. The results are 56.4MH/s @ 100W, but the card crashed.

 

[Mini_Me]

Tell me if I am doing it right
-first
i edit my rom with MPT as shown here

Question - GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

Hi, I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab. The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is...

www.igorslab.de

-second
I modify with Apple straps
-third
I set voltages and frequencies

but after putting on Apple straps tREF and tCL do i have to modify them?

At first, do not modify the power table and only apply the vram timings straps, when you apply the vram timings please follow the kindly attached video below,

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MHdgy9mftinh7ipfPvDAWGnubYaMNZWx/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[Mini_Me]

I can find NO benefit for running the RX 5700 NON-XT and the 5700 XT bios on the same card.
Card: AMD Reference / Samsung memory
HiveOS settings:
Core 1360MHz 775mv
Memory: 920 MHz, VDDCI 880, MVDD 1350
57 MH/s at 101-103W.

I used the same HiveOS settings with Apple straps.

I did find some benefits for Apple straps with the same settings. I compared the Apple straps with 1500 stock, copied to all higher frequencies. The results are 56.4MH/s @ 100W, but the card crashed.

Outstanding work you have done here,

Do you remember when I informed you about the relationship between power current and voltage,

I would like to verify this by doing the below,

Core voltage @ VDD
1400 MHz @ 830 mv,
1400 MHz @ 800 mv,
1400 MHz @ 770 mv,

Micron memory clock @ VDDCI & MVDD
950 MHz @ 800 mv & 1350 mv,

Please let us check the above and update whenever it is possible.

 

[AlleyCat]

I moved the AMD card to production. It was too good to keep testing. I had to get it to start making money .

I am requesting if I can defer these tests until I am getting a card into my test rig.

 

[AlleyCat]

Please check out these numbers.
The only card that is out of its optimal performance is the MSI/Micron.
I find the MSI to be a very difficult and unstable card. Therefore, I would NOT recommend getting the MSI 5700XT Gaming for mining.