Question GIGABYTE 5700 XT Bios mod fails

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Hi,
I am failing to update Gigabyte 5700 XT. The same procedure updates the BIOS on MSI cards with no problem. I follow the instructions on Igors Lab.

The sign of having trouble with the card bios flash shows in GPU-Z. After flash using amdvbflash the values of GPU and memory frequencies is empty. With stock bios there are Mhz frequencies.

Is there any known problems with flashing Gigabyte cards?
Any suggestions on what other forums I may ask for assistance?
Is it possible that the OEM bios is signed, and any modified bios will be rejected?
If the bios is signed, any tools to resign, or would I need to buy a card from a different vendor?

Thanks,

Alley Cat
 
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The card with the Samsung memory will not go beyond 910 and be stable.
Understandable, the reason is not the parameters however unfortunately it is the cooling of the card is not sufficient,
The blower fan is not enough to cool down the memory at 1820 MHz,
and for the dual fan beyond 1840 MHz as well and if someone is lucky he may be able to run it at max 1860 MHz,
However on water cooling is different story, it is easy to run it stably at 990 MHz and even at 1100 MHz for the 50th Anniversary edition.

Please note that it is important for Samsung memory to run 24/7 safely without degradation, the temperature must not exceed 74° C, therefore it is highly recommended to fix the MVDD at 1350 mV (it is the default value at 1750 MHz with already added headroom) as low insufficient MVVD will increase the memory temperature and to increase the VDDCI (default for 1750 MHz is 850 mV) until reaching the desired memory clock without exceeding the 74° C, if the temperature was exceeding the 74° C to 85° C then every 48 hours of continuous running, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature, if the memory is running at temperature more than 85° C then each 24 hour of continuous running, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature.
 
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Understandable, the reason is not the parameters however unfortunately it is the cooling of the card is not sufficient,
The blower fan is not enough to cool down the memory at 1820 MHz,
and for the dual fan beyond 1840 MHz as well and if someone is lucky he may be able to run it at max 1860 MHz,
However on water cooling is different story, it is easy to run it stably at 990 MHz and even at 1100 MHz for the 50th Anniversary edition.

Please note that it is important for Samsung memory to run 24/7 safely without degradation, the temperature must not exceed 74° C, therefore it is highly recommended to fix the MVDD at 1350 mV (it is the default value at 1750 MHz with already added headroom) as low insufficient MVVD will increase the memory temperature and to increase the VDDCI (default for 1750 MHz is 850 mV) until reaching the desired memory clock without exceeding the 74° C, if the temperature was exceeding the 74° C to 85° C then every 48 hours of continuous running, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature, if the memory is running at temperature more than 85° C then each 24 hour of continuous running, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature.
hi
i mod your give me bios
1350 890 750 750 in Phoenix is 55.7m trm maybe 54.7m
raveos oc

oc -wh=50000000 -gfxvddmax=800 -mvdd=1305 -socclkmax=950

Power consumption 88w
work fine
 
Understandable, the reason is not the parameters however unfortunately it is the cooling of the card is not sufficient,
The blower fan is not enough to cool down the memory at 1820 MHz,
and for the dual fan beyond 1840 MHz as well and if someone is lucky he may be able to run it at max 1860 MHz,
However on water cooling is different story, it is easy to run it stably at 990 MHz and even at 1100 MHz for the 50th Anniversary edition.

Please note that it is important for Samsung memory to run 24/7 safely without degradation, the temperature must not exceed 74° C, therefore it is highly recommended to fix the MVDD at 1350 mV (it is the default value at 1750 MHz with already added headroom) as low insufficient MVVD will increase the memory temperature and to increase the VDDCI (default for 1750 MHz is 850 mV) until reaching the desired memory clock without exceeding the 74° C, if the temperature was exceeding the 74° C to 85° C then every 48 hours of continuous running, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature, if the memory is running at temperature more than 85° C then each 24 hour of continuous running, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature.
Good morning.
I followed your specifications and changed the Samsung memory settings. Here are my settings for the Samsung memory card, and the amd-info output.

The card temp is 66c.
Any suggestions for improving the settings for stability and efficiency?

What are the temp guidelines for Micron's memory?
 

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Good morning.
I followed your specifications and changed the Samsung memory settings. Here are my settings for the Samsung memory card, and the amd-info output.

The card temp is 66c.
Any suggestions for improving the settings for stability and efficiency?

What are the temp guidelines for Micron's memory?
Good morning,

Regarding the Micron memory, I will update whenever it is possible in addition to a couple of important things as well with updated power table for safe operating at 24/7,

Regarding the settings for cards with Samsung memory at 24/7 please use the below,

Core from (1360 to 1440) MHz, VDD 800 MHz,
Memory (905 or 910) MHz, MVDD 1350 mV, VDDCI 850 mV.
 
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New STRANGE findings on my Sapphire Pulses.
1) After installing the same, working rig into a bigger aluminium construction for cooling, both rigs now all of a sudden show a card with Samsung memory. Before it was all Micron memory. Now two cards with Samsung.

2) I have one AMD Sapphire blower card, 5700(non XT). That one has decent memory temp. 78C at 65% fan. Everything else, as before, 88 C with autofan on and pretty big fan values.
Here's the thing though-when manipulating the cards I felt the backplate being slightly loose on all cards. Like if you jiggle it against the card, the backplate and cooling assembly has a little bit of play. Some screws look like they are not all the way in but once you try them with a screwdriver they are tight. Here is the video of me jiggling it a little.

Can anyone else with a Pulse, or any other card, try the same and report their findings? This is very curious.
Cards are all new, I just put the rig into work and am testing for a week maybe.

3) On the 2 PSU, 13 card rig. It had a power consumption of 980 W and 890 W, around 1870w total. Now it is 1020 W and 850 W . Software power usage is the same for all, roughly speaking.
 

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Good morning.
I followed your specifications and changed the Samsung memory settings. Here are my settings for the Samsung memory card, and the amd-info output.

The card temp is 66c.
Any suggestions for improving the settings for stability and efficiency?

What are the temp guidelines for Micron's memory?
Greetings,

Please follow the guide below,

The below is the settings for best performance and power consumption for safe 24/7 operating and work well with TeamRedMiner Mode B,

÷ Using MorePowerTool from the kindly attached link below,


Apply the setting below,

- Under Features tab, set:
Zero RPM: Uncheck (Disable, for those who have high memory temperature)

- Under Overdrive Limits tab, set:
GFX Maximum Clock 1440 MHz
Memory Maximum Clock 960 MHz
Power Limit Maximum 0%
Power Limit Minimum 0%
Memory Timing Control: 1 [For computing (mining), default is 2 for gaming]
Zero RPM Control: 0 (For those who have high memory temperature)

- Under Feature Control (For stable Hashrate and to prevent hashrate from dropping to 0 MH/s in addition to disable R6 Render Standby in the motherboard bios settings if exists), set:
DS_GFXCLK: Uncheck (Disable)
ACDC: Check (Enable)
[To disable unwanted output ports or to make the card headless in order to save power and free lanes, choose any of the below,
VCN_PG: Uncheck (Disable, to disable the HDMI port)
JPEG_PG: Uncheck (Disable, to disable the display ports)
ATHUB_PG: Uncheck (Disable, to disable all the output ports and turn the card to headless)],

- Under Power and Voltages, set:
Maximum Voltage GFX: 1050 mV
[must not be lower than this as the MVDD default value in the vbios is at 1350 mV and the VDD must be within 300 mV range with MVDD or components may get degraded and permanent damaged]
Maximum Voltage SoC: 1050 mV
[must not be lower than this like the Maximum Voltage GFX]
Minimum Voltage GFX: 750 mV (800 mV for non XT)
Minimum Voltage SoC: 750 mV (800 mV for non XT)
TDP Power Limit GPU: 155 W (145 W for non XT)
TDC Limit GFX: 135 A (125 A for non XT)
TDC Limit SoC: 15 A

- Under Frequency tap, set:
GFX Maximum: 1270 MHz
Memory DPM 3: 900 MHz

[Regarding SoC Maximum, must be kept at default 1267 MHz in the vbios, capping it at another value must be done inside the OS using a script in linux or editing the registry using MorePowerTool in Windows and at your own discretion, recommended values for memory types at specific clocks as below,
SoC Maximum 1086 MHz,

- Under Fan tab, set:
Zero RPM Enabled: Uncheck (Disable, for those who have high memory temperature)
Stop Temperature: 50° C
Start Temperature: 60° C

÷ Regarding the memory vram timings, use the RedBiosEditor from the kindly attached link below,


to load your backup vbios and power table .mpt file and after that use one of the options below to modify the vram timings then click on "Save" and choose the desired place to get the final modified vbios file ready to flash,

The 2 options below for vram timings are the best ones for stability, performance and power consumption,

Option 1 (Preferred and Recommended), applying Apple Inc. vram timings straps linked below, once for MT61K256M32 Micron, and Save the vbios after that load the saved vbios and once again apply the straps for K4Z80325BC Samsung if it is existed and save the vbios again,

Option 2 (Universal), applying vram timings as below for both Samsung and Micron like before,

- K4Z80325BC (Samsung)
2000 MHz (Copy) - - - > (Paste) 2250 MHz
1800 MHz - - - > 2000 MHz
(1500 or 1550) MHz - - - > 1800 MHz

- MT61K256M32 (Micron)
1875 MHz - - - > 2000 MHz
1750 MHz - - - > (1800 - 1875) MHz
(1500 or 1550) MHz - - - > 1750 MHz

- H56C8H24AIR (Hynix)
1800 MHz - - - > 2000 MHz
(1500 or 1550) MHz - - - > (1800 - 1875) MHz

Memory Clock - tREF
[The recommended ratio is 3.9 and max at 4, for an example, 3900 tREF ÷ 1000 MHz = 3.9]
1000 MHz - 3900 (Samsung, Micron & Hynix)
1250 MHz - 4875 (Samsung, Micron & Hynix)
1360 MHz - 5304 (Samsung only)
(1500 or 1550) MHz - (5850 or 6045) (Samsung, Micron and Hynix)
1750 MHz - 6825 (Micron only)
1800 MHz - 7020 (Samsung, Micron & Hynix)
1875 MHz - 7315 (Micron & Hynix only)
2000 MHz - 7800 (Samsung, Micron and Hynix)
2060 MHz - 8034 (Samsung only)
2250 MHz - 8775 (Samsung only)

÷ Regarding parameters settings as below,

- Core parameters,
Keep the ratio of Core clock to VDD at 1.79 or below (preferred is 1.75 and default is 1.70) as beyond that negative scaling may start which means lowering performance and occurring instability and increasing temperature.

- Memory parameters,
~ Samsung (K4Z80325BC-HC14),
Memory clock at 900 MHz more than this may not be stable,

~ Micron (MT61K256M32JE-14),
Memory clock at 900 MHz for power saving and lower temperature like for Samsung memory and 935 or 950 MHz for performance,

~ Hynix (H56C8H24AIR-SC),
Memory clock at 900 MHz for power saving and lower temperature, for performance 935 or 950 MHz,

[*Disclaimer regarding the memory temperature to avoid and prevent its degradation and being baked again that might lead to connection loose,

For Samsung (K4Z80325BC-HC14),
For operating at 24/7, the temperature must not exceed 74° C,
Other than this will fall under the below,
At (80 ± 5)° C, operating for 24/7 requires putting the system on a break of 1 to 2 hour (depending on the ambient temperature) after 48 hour of operation,
At (100 ± 5)° C, operating for 24/7 requires putting the system on a break of 1 to 2 hour (depending on the ambient temperature) after 36 hour of operation,
At (125 ± 5)° C, operating for 24/7 requires putting the system on a break of 1 to 2 hour (depending on the ambient temperature) after 24 hour of operation,

For Micron (MT61K256M32JE-14) and Hynix (H56C8H24AIR-SC), it is the same as for Samsung (K4Z80325BC-HC14) even thought Micron Inc. and SK Hynix stated it can run from (0 to 95)° C, however this is for normal use and not for 24/7 of operation].

Due to air cooling is being used, the highly recommend approximate setting as below,
[For optimal hashrate, keep the gap between the core clock and memory clock at 480 MHz]
[The recommended and safe ratio between VDDCI and Memory clock is 2.24 (Default is 2.06) For Samsung, Micron and Hynix, for example: 1800 (900*2) MHz ÷ 805 = ~2.24]

Core clock, VDD : Memory clock, VDDCI, MVDD, TeamRedMiner Mode A Hashrate

~ Samsung and Micron,
- 1370 MHz, 770 or 780 mV : 890 (1780/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1310 mV, ~54.10 MH/s,
- 1380 MHz, 780 or 790 mV : 900 (1800/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1310 mV, ~55.30 MH/s,

~ Micron,
- 1415 MHz, 795 or 805 mV : 935 (1870/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1350 mV, ~57.10 MH/s,
- 1430 MHz, 805 or 815 mV : 950 (1900/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1350 mV, ~58.10 MH/s.

~ Hynix,
- 1370 MHz, 770 or 780 mV : 890 (1780/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1250 mV, ~54.10 MH/s,
- 1380 MHz, 780 or 790 mV : 900 (1800/2) MHz, 850 mV, 1250 mV, ~55.10 MH/s,
- 1415 MHz, 795 or 805 mV : 935 (1870/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1250 mV, ~57.10 MH/s,
- 1430 MHz, 805 or 815 mV : 950 (1900/2) MHz, 875 mV, 1250 mV, ~58.10 MH/s.
 
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Greetings,

Everyone, please disregard all the power table from before and use the below, I am going to update all the previous posts with the below settings as well,

The below is the settings for best performance and power consumption for safe 24/7 operating,

÷ Regarding power table as below,

- Under Features tab enable all the overdive features,

- Under Overdrive Limits tab, set:
GFX Maximum Clock 1440 MHz
Memory Maximum Clock 1000 MHz
Power Limit Maximum 0%
Power Limit Minimum 0%
Memory Timing Control 1 [For computing (mining), desfault is 2 for gaming]

- Under Power and Voltages, set:
Maximum Voltage GFX 1050 mV [must not be lower than this as the MVDD default value in the vbios is at 1350 mV and the VDD must be within 300 mV range with MVDD]
Maximum Voltage SoC 1050 mV [must be not lower than this as the MVDD default value in the vbios is at 1350 mV and the VDD must be within 300 mV range with MVDD]
Minimum Voltage GFX 750 mV
Minimum Voltage SoC 750 mV
Power Limit GPU 140 W
TDC Limit GFX 132 A
TDC Limit SoC 12 A

- Under Frequency tap, set:
GFX Maximum 1360 MHz
Memory DPM 3 - 950 MHz

- Under Fan tab, set:
Stop Temperature 60° C
Start Temperature 70° C

÷ Regarding the memory vram timings,

The 2 options below are the best ones for stability, performance and power consumption,

Option 1, applying Apple Inc. vram timings straps linked below, once for MT61K256M32 Micron, and Save the vbios after that load the saved vbios and once again apply the straps for K4Z80325BC Samsung if it is existed and save the vbios again,

Option 2, applying vram timings as below for both Samsung and Micron like before,

- K4Z80325BC (Samsung)
(1500-1550) MHz (Copy) - - - > (Paste) 1800 MHz
1800 MHz - - - > 2000 MHz
2000 MHz - - - > 2250 MHz

- MT61K256M32 (Micron)
(1500-1550) MHz - - - > (1750 - 1800) MHz
1750 MHz - - - > (1875 - 2000) MHz

Memory Clock - tREF
1000 MHz - 3900 (Samsung & Micron)
1250 MHz - 4875 (Samsung & Micron)
1550 MHz - 6045 (Samsung & Micron)
1750 MHz - 6825 (Micron only)
1800 MHz - 7020 (Samsung & Micron)
1875 MHz - 7315 (Micron only)
2000 MHz - 7800 (Samsung & Micron)
2250 MHz - 8775 (Samsung only)

÷ Regarding parameters settings as below,

- Core parameters,
Core clock from (1360 to 1440) MHz, VDD at 800 mV,

- Memory parameters,

~Samsung K4Z80325BC-HC14,
Memory clock at (905 or 910) MHz, VDDCI at 850 mV, MVDD at 1350 mV (must not be less than this for Micron MVDD),

~Micron MT61K256M32JE-14,
Memory clock at (905 or 910) MHz, VDDCI at 850 mV, MVDD (1310 or 1350) mV [the minimum for MVDD Micron MT61K256M32 at POD135 DC operating conditions is 13095 mV according to Micron Inc.],

÷ Regarding the memory temperature to avoid and prevent its degradation,

For Samsung memory K4Z80325BCHC14,
For operating at 24/7, the temperature must not exceed 74° C,
If the temperature exceeded the 74° C to 85° C then every 48 hours of operation, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature,
If the memory is running at temperature more than 85° C then each 24 hour of operation, the system should be given a break of 1 to 2 hours depending on the ambient temperature.

For Micron memory, it can run from (0 to 95)° C, however lesser the temperature is the better and it is highly recommended at less than 85° C for 24/7 operation.
Thank you.
 
You are very welcome,

I would like to request your help regarding one final thing to disclose the optimization of the vbios for the RX 5700 which as below,

As you have Gigabyte RX 5700 that comes only with Micron which is perfect for this final test,

What the test is about? Copying the vram timings of Samsung memory to the Micron memory once using the Apple straps and once using the non Apple with option 2 mentioned before,

Please no need to rush nd feel free to perform this test whenever it is possible and whenever you like.
 
You are very welcome,

I would like to request your help regarding one final thing to disclose the optimization of the vbios for the RX 5700 which as below,

As you have Gigabyte RX 5700 that comes only with Micron which is perfect for this final test,

What the test is about? Copying the vram timings of Samsung memory to the Micron memory once using the Apple straps and once using the non Apple with option 2 mentioned before,

Please no need to rush nd feel free to perform this test whenever it is possible and whenever you like.
I accept. I plan to get the test report by the end of today.
 
New STRANGE findings on my Sapphire Pulses.
1) After installing the same, working rig into a bigger aluminium construction for cooling, both rigs now all of a sudden show a card with Samsung memory. Before it was all Micron memory. Now two cards with Samsung.

2) I have one AMD Sapphire blower card, 5700(non XT). That one has decent memory temp. 78C at 65% fan. Everything else, as before, 88 C with autofan on and pretty big fan values.
Here's the thing though-when manipulating the cards I felt the backplate being slightly loose on all cards. Like if you jiggle it against the card, the backplate and cooling assembly has a little bit of play. Some screws look like they are not all the way in but once you try them with a screwdriver they are tight. Here is the video of me jiggling it a little.

Can anyone else with a Pulse, or any other card, try the same and report their findings? This is very curious.
Cards are all new, I just put the rig into work and am testing for a week maybe.

3) On the 2 PSU, 13 card rig. It had a power consumption of 980 W and 890 W, around 1870w total. Now it is 1020 W and 850 W . Software power usage is the same for all, roughly speaking.
Greetings
Thank you for your kind information,

Please do not worry, we will update you whenever it is possible regarding this matter,

You may have a good day,

Regards.
 
Hello everyone and thank you for this gold mine of a thread!
Really a lot of very useful and interesting information here.
Your dedication to benching/testing out all these different settings and especially doing so publicly and sharing all info is greatly appreciated!

We've been following this for a while and also successfully used the parameters outlined here: https://www.igorslab.de/community/threads/gigabyte-5700-xt-bios-mod-fails.3304/page-17#post-83096
in combination with the apple timings.

Now thank you for the recent update and the new MPT settings, we will create new modded Bios files for our cards later and try them.

I've got some questions though:
Are you suggesting of leaving the VDD and VDCCI (as well as the MVDD for Samsungs) fixed at what you wrote above and only vary only slightly in clock speed?
In the older post linked above there was a whole range of clock speeds and relating voltages. We tried out some of these and nearly all our cards run pretty stable at lower voltages than the fixed 800/850mV you wrote in today's update.
I've attached a recent screenshot to this post (yes, they're much too hot and we need to improve airflow in the rig).

Is this because if clocks are increased the chips need more power, but if you at the same time lover voltages naturally the current has to go up and higher current is heat and stress for the chip, so you are rather not undervolting too much?
I guess it also somehow relates to not exceeding the clock/voltage relation of 1.8 you mentioned so pages earlier when talking about the SoC?

Also I'd like to ask something else:
We're always modding the bios for every card using it's own stock bios as a base. For some cards this works well, but some (especially Asus Dual and XFX DD) just won't got below 130W reported in HiveOS. Now we once flashed a Sapphire Pulse with the Bios of another Pulse which reported lower and this helped very much.
So there has to be lot's of other stuff in that Bios's which we cannot alter with RBE or MPT and so we thought about using Bios's of other cards which run with nice low watts as base for modding a Bios for the Asus and XFX.
Does someone have any experiences in doing so and may be able to give any guide on how to choose a source Bios?
I read somewhere here that Fan settings/curve is important, which makes sense, as the fand are one obvious physical difference between custom cards.
Do you know of a way to transfer fan settings between Bios files, to maybe use another Bios as base for a card, but implement the fan stuff from the target cards stock?
Or are there other things which makes cross flashing Bios's between cards a rather bad idea? I've seen someone using an XFX Bios on Gigabyte cards once.

Thank you very much and best regards.
 

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Looking for advice on isolating what is causing periodic individual cards to drop to 0 MH. I previously mined on 570/580 cards and could check for excessive memory errors using HWMonitor. However it looks like HWMonitor does not show memory errors for NAVI cards. My rig has gone for up tp 2 days without a crash, but I'll usually get one about every 4 or 5 hours, sometimes multiple in 1 hour. It's always the same one of the cards (not always the same) drops to 0, and then after a few minutes the miner reboots. I want to start modifying my OC and UV settings on each card to isolate what is causing the issues. Should I start with reducing the memory clock by increments, or memory voltage? Where is the best place to start? My current setting are in the attached screenshot.
 

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Judging by my cards, asking 1400 from 745 mhz is way too much. I could do 1350/740 but not for long. 750/1350 is the limit here, 1380/780 works best, 1400/800 must work well. The other thing, 1280 on the memory, you are not saving many watts with that and it seems low. I'd go at least 1310.
 
Judging by my cards, asking 1400 from 745 mhz is way too much. I could do 1350/740 but not for long. 750/1350 is the limit here, 1380/780 works best, 1400/800 must work well. The other thing, 1280 on the memory, you are not saving many watts with that and it seems low. I'd go at least 1310.
Thank you, I will adjust based on your feedback. Also to clarify, I've used the "apple straps" and suggested MPT settings for the Gigabyte Micron memory from this thread as my bios mod.
 
Thank you, I will adjust based on your feedback. Also to clarify, I've used the "apple straps" and suggested MPT settings for the Gigabyte Micron memory from this thread as my bios mod.
Please use below for best result safely running 24/7,

Regarding parameters settings as below,

- Core parameters,
Core clock from (1360 to 1440) MHz, VDD at 800 mV,

- Memory parameters,

~Samsung K4Z80325BC-HC14,
Memory clock at (905 or 910) MHz, VDDCI at 850 mV (less than this is not recommended), MVDD at 1350 mV (less than this is not recommended),

~Micron MT61K256M32JE-14,
Memory clock at (905 or 910) MHz, VDDCI at 850 mV (Recommended minimum is 845 mV), MVDD (1310 or 1350) mV [the recommended minimum for MVDD Micron MT61K256M32 at POD135 DC operating conditions is 13095 mV according to Micron Inc.],
 
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Tell me if there is a modified BIOS for Gigabyte RX5700XT GAMING OC rev 2 and AORUS rev 2, since on BIOS from rev 1, GPUs consume 30-50 watts more?
 
Tell me if there is a modified BIOS for Gigabyte RX5700XT GAMING OC rev 2 and AORUS rev 2, since on BIOS from rev 1, GPUs consume 30-50 watts more?
Greetings,

Please try this guide in the kindly attached link below,


You may have a good day,

Regards.
 
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